Note, if anybody knows me, they know that I have a real good understanding of PC's Networking and a god awful lot of tools that I have used forever to get things done. All my friends know how bust I have been in working on a real decent system. I must have pissed off this guy, I had many PM's Wanting me to help as admin for his groups, he put me in one in Florida he created and never even told me.. I had to request the name from him to find it. It had just been created and did not even have a background graphic on it, so I went to his original group page 'Christian American Patriots Militia' and downloaded the graphic on that page to use on the new one in Florida, trying to help. He PM'd me a while later and bitched about putting that graphic on the page ( I had by then already made a 'closed' group for a user in the new CAPM Florida in St. Lucie County) and wanted me to find a picture of Florida to put on there..and so referenced to a group he had made in New York I did not know about or had seen. I told him I could not micro managed every group because I was working on our Minutemen system, I could set them up as a generic group and the local admins could do what they wanted afterwards. It was days after that that he never even PM'd me at all The following is a running conversation with this man, he is in GERMANY and will not lose the first drop of blood or endanger any of his family and friends over there and made the threat of assassinating our President and told me he could not come to the US because he would be arrested the second he came off the plane. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert, I saw your messages earlier, but have not had the time to respond. I will read them again... but Robert please do not post your messages on the CAPM page. Also, please do not suggest I remove something I posted. I am of the opinion that if no one is willing to post a reward for the capture of Obama that they certainly are not going to rise to a revolution. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everest, Sorry but thought you needed to hear that information before it caused you serious problems. What messages ?? and what is the reason ? I do not think I have posted anything offensive or at least I have never tried to. I sometimes do not read all of the articles completely. If you tell me what messages and/or from what articles they were in, I'll try to make sure they have nothing offensive in them. Let me know ASAP, now is the time to get these built while I am in these areas of the alphabet, it will save me time on the documentation of the structures... it is just as easy to insert 2 pages for additions as it is for one... and will save me time and effort that can be better utilized in other places. Have a great day ! 27 minutes ago I mean keep the messages here, not on the CAPM page. Robert, I guess I am confused as to what you are doing exactly... please explain what you are working on... "alliance" etc. Are you uniting many militia groups, or what? I am simply trying to get members of CAPM to get involved... to start meeting one another and get trained in urban warfare. Most seem to think we are just part of a chat group and that is not what I started CAPM for. I also expected that those who joined were strong enough to really act. Our Sovereignty has already been taken from us and no one is leading this nation in accordance with our Constitution. My posting a reward for the capture of Obama is in accordance with our rights to defend ourselves, but only two others have decided to stand with me. At the moment I see a nation of cowards, not the "home of the brave." Chat Conversation End Everest, I have to leave your CAPM - Florida group. FLORIDA HAS VERY STRICT LAWS ABOUT MILITARY STYLE TRAINING OF ANY KIND AND YOU CAN BE ARRESTED FOR A FELONY IF YOU ARE MEMBER OF A GROUP LIKE THAT AND I WILL NOT BE INVOLVED IN ANY ILLEGAL MILITANT OPERATIONS. ALSO, EVERY GROUP NEEDS SUPPORT, JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS DISABLED DOES NOT MEAN THEY CAN NOT HAVE SOME TYPE OF SUPPORT ROLES IN EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE, MANY DISABLED PEOPLE HELP EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE IN MANY DIFFERENT OCCUPATIONS. I HAD A TOTALLY WRONG IDEA ON WHAT YOUR GROUP WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT AND WILL HAVE TO LEAVE ASAP... I CAN NOT TAKE THE CHANCE OF FEDERAL OR STATE AUTHORITIES IMPLICATING ME OR ANY OF MY FRIENDS IN MILITANT BEHAVIOR. OUR MINUTEMEN GROUPS ARE BUILT AROUND THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE MINUTEMEN, PROVIDING LOCAL SUPPORT TO FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN NEED DURING ANY EMERGENCY, ASSISTING OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES IN OUR COUNTY AND ALSO IN OUT STATES. IF NECESSARY, WE MAY ALSO ASSIST ANY NEIGHBORING STATE IF WE RECEIVE A REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME BUT NOW I MUST GO FOR THE SAFETY OF ME AND MY FAMILY. Okay Robert... wish you God's speed. God bless. We need to STAND... it is our not standing that is the problem. Florida's law is unconstitutional. In fact Florida has no law... our Constitution is the only law of our nation. The United States Constitution and Florida Constitution are law... statutes are not. EVEREST, MY PHYSICAL CONDITION IS FROM A DRUNK DRIVING A FORD F150 4X4 (45MPH) AND T-BONING ME COMING HOME FROM MY ENGINEERING WORK ON MY MOTORCYCLE (25MPH) AS HE WENT WIDE ON A 'Y' BECAUSE HE WAS LATE FOR A SOFTBALL GAME THAT MAKES TRYING TO LIVE IN OHIO A SURE EARLY DEATH SENTENCE. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH LIVING IN FLORIDA, YES, THEY DO HAVE STRICT LAWS ON MILITANT STYLE TRAINING IN THIS STATE, BUT THAT CAN BE TAKEN A FEW WAYS... IT KEEPS THE CITIZENS SAFE FROM ANY GROUP PLANNING ON SOME TYPE OF HOSTILE ACT AS THEY PREPARE FOR SOME TYPE OF ILLEGAL OPERATIONS. IT ALSO PREVENTS ISLAMIC TERRORISTS FROM TRAINING IN FLORIDA FOR THE SAME REASON. MANY OF THE NORTHERN STATES ARE LETTING ISLAMIC GROUPS BUILD MILITARY STYLE BUNKERS AND PERFORMING MILITARY TRAINING. THAT ACT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET BY WITH THAT TYPE ACTION IN FLORIDA. BTW, why did you remove my question on the article about Obama ? Isn't that about the same type of censorship we are fighting to prevent in this country? Now seeing that my post is now gone from that area seriously disturbs me. That is not how an open society is supposed to behave, we still have our 1st amendment rights to free speech and should be able to express our opinions, especially in open forums of discussion that are not privately owned and/or operated. That is really not right at all for that action, Everest... I thought better of you than acting like that! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert, the CAPM is to act, not sit and be a chat room. If people here do not want to take their duty seriously and show that they are willing to STAND, then I will close the entire group. Oh... that question. Actually, no one is donating anything... I have asked them to pledge a certain amount. No money is collected. If someone captures Obama then each person who has pledged should honor their pledge. A pledge is not a donation. Robert, apparently you do not trust me. Sad. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I quickly removed your post primarily because you criticized a STAND which is in accordance with our rights to a defense and the 2nd Amendment. I am not sure what your objective is with the Minutemen, because we should have already confronted Obama and these numerous oath breakers. And if we do not STAND very soon our nation will slide down into more despair. People are discouraged and they are discouraged because nobody is responding appropriately. *** Note *** he placed a link in this position and I will not give him the pleasure of using my web server for his actions... some article on a place called commonsensetome. Ask him what it was... I could care less what this troublemaker does any longer. ****************************************** You have falsely accused me Robert. Therefore you are blocked. My being in Germany has nothing to do with my patriotism. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have turned on me because you disagree with my STAND for our Republic. We have already followed all the legal recourse available... I question whether you are even a "patriot". Goodnight Robert. Troll maybe. I have done nothing illegal. How dare you accuse me of that? No doubt you believe Obama is the President. It's amazing how one you trust can turn into one you distrust. I no longer trust you. HEY, EVEREST, YOU TOLD ME (ABOUT THE PICTURE) THAT AFTER THE FACT WHEN YOU PM'D ME ABOUT WHAT THE GROUP NAME WAS AND YOU HAD ADDED ME, WITHOUT EVEN ASKING ME, AND WANTED ME TO FIND A PICTURE TO PUT ON YOUR GROUP PAGE AND I TOLD YOU I WAS TOO BUSY TO MICRO MANAGE ANY GROUPS WITH MY CURRENT PROJECTS. I AM SORRY I PISSED YOU OFF BY ME TRYING TO HELP YOUR GROUP BUT I CAN SEE YOU WANT TO BE A MICRO MANAGING DICTATOR JUST LIKE THE ISLAMIC FRAUD IN THE OVAL OFFICE RIGHT NOW. I WILL NEVER SUPPORT ANOTHER HITLER AND YOUR ACTIONS ARE JUST WHAT SOME TYRANT DOES, GETS PISSED OFF AND REMOVES PEOPLE WHEN THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM AND THEY DO NOT WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO KNOW OF THEIR ACTIONS... BUT THIS IS THE INTERNET, AND OTHER PEOPLE WILL FIND OUT ALL THE ACTIONS YOU HAVE TAKEN, ESPECIALLY TODAY. REMOVING ME FROM THE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN PATRIOTS MILITIA... COME ON, WHAT KIND OF CHILDISH ACTION IS THAT? YOUR ACTIONS IN THIS SITUATION ARE TOTALLY DISGUSTING. ------------------------------------------------------ I deleted your comment because you suggested I remove my post, a post that is 100% in line with our right to a defense and our 2nd Amendment. You said I should delete it for safety sake, in direct contradiction of the post that someone had posted above. And now you accuse me of endangering my fellow Americans because I am adhering to our God given rights to a defense and the 2nd Amendment. And you apparently seem to now believe that I am a German, or that European affairs have nothing to do with U.S.A. And you accuse me of being like Obama, a dictator... amazing. First of all I have not violated your rights in this militia group, none whatsoever. If you think it wrong of me to make decisions in this group as to what it is about and how it should ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ how it should be presented... I simply told you that the cover photo was to specifically represent Florida and you get upset. I did not criticize your effort to put up a photo, I simply told you that it needed to specifically represent Florida and I never asked you to put that photo up. You ran ahead of what we were doing in other states and that is why I showed you the New York group photo so you would understand. But now you accuse me. Amazing. And I wrote earlier today that I did not understand what you were doing with Minutemen and CAPM... to explain to me what you meant by an "alliance". You did not answer me.... Instead, you told me to take down my post. You are reminding me of some admins who decided to leave because they found me to be radical. And now you tell me that you had to get rid of men in your minutemen because they wanted to defend their nation. All other means of legal recourse have been totally exhausted... all that is left is the 2nd Amendment. And that Obama is working on restricting. As I said, I did not start this militia group to sit back and watch them slowly take all without a fight. I have been in Gemany 14 years, I am not German. I do not have the money to return to U.S.A. now and if I did I would no doubt be arrested at the airport. It is so easy for people in U.S.A. to accuse me of not being patriotic because I happen to be in Germany. If you want you can remain in CAPM, but please tell me what your full intention is with Minutemen. When I first met you in our group I took you for being a passionate no nonsense patriot. I could not care less what Florida's violations of our Constitution are. You have the right to bear arms in Florida. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, YOUR IGNORANCE IS STILL SHOWING... I DID NOT SAY I REMOVED ANYBODY... I SAID THEY HAD BEEN REMOVED. YOU’RE CONTINUED IGNORANCE IN THIS MATTER WILL JUST CAUSE PROBLEMS. I HAVE NOW REMOVED ANY TYPE OF FREE ADVERTISING THAT WAS ON MY WEB SERVER THAT HAD ANY REFERENCE TO YOUR MILITANT ACTIONS, I WILL NOT BE INVOLVED IN ANYTHING ILLEGAL THAT YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO IMPLEMENT WITH THE CONTINUED LIES TO THESE PEOPLE. I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT THE LAWS WERE AND TOLD YOU TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. YOU HAVE NEVER READ THE FIRST PIECE OF INFORMATION I SENT YOU WITH VERY DETAIL PLANS OF WHAT IS GETTING IMPLEMENTED, YOU ARE JUST PISSED OFF THAT I DID NOT ABANDON THE GROUP I HAVE WORKED SO HARD ON TO WORK ON YOUR MICRO-MANAGED DICTATORSHIP. I DO NOT APPRECIATE THE CENSORSHIP, IN FACT IT TOTALLY DISGUSTS ME TO HAVE EVER HAD ANY DEALING WITH A PERSON THAT WOULD TREAT SOMEBODY THE WAY YOU HAVE WHEN ALL I HAVE DONE FOR YOU IS TRY TO HELP AND TRY TO KEEP YOU FROM CAUSING OTHER PEOPLE TO BE THROWN IN JAIL OR PRISON BECAUSE YOU ARE MISLEADING THEM AND THE LAWS IN THIS STATE WOULD DO JUST THAT FOR THE COMMENTS YOU HAVE MADE IN THIS LONG PM SESSION. YOU HAD BETTER TELL THE PEOPLE THAT THEY MAY GET IN SERIOUS TROUBLE WITH THE WAY YOU ARE TELLING THEM TO ACT. I DO NOT WANT ANY OF MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY INVOLVED WITH THE ACTIONS YOU ARE TRYING TO PROVOKE AND WILL LOSE NO BLOOD OR EFFORTS IN IF ANYTHING HAPPENS. THAT WAS THE LAST OF THE PM'S HE SENT ME. EVEREST WILHELMSEN IS THIS MAN'S NAME AND HERE IS HIS LINK.. HE REMOVED ME FROM ANYTHING , SAVED ME THE TROUBLE. HE JUST DID NOT WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION. AND NOW, WORLD, YOU BE THE JUDGE. THIS WILL ALSO BE ON MY WEB SERVER, I REMOVED EVERY LINK TO HIS MILITANT ENTERPRISE AND WILL HAVE NO ACTIONS WITH THIS PERSON AND CLEAN MY HANDS OF ANY INVOLVEMENT OR USAGE OR ASSISTANCE TO HIS DICTATORSHIP. HERE IS A WORDPAD ( TEXT FORMAT ) VERSION FOR THE WORLD TO DOWNLOAD. http://iii.thruhere.net/Everest-militant-behavior.txt